HUGE thanks to Tom for once again collecting Deadpool reviews.
CBR
"...you've got another kooky issue that hits just the right number of laughs, has just the right balance of plot and action and has both excellent art from the Paco Medina/Juan Vlasco/Marte Gracia team but a spandex-tight script from Daniel Way. Excellent!"
IGN - 7.8/10
"It's a good start to an arc. I just hope Deadpool's shtick of running and gunning with Osborn's goons doesn't grow stale."
Bookspot Central
"Deadpool remains a monthly dose of that glory we used to feel when we heard "Finish Him". He's that monthly joke that never gets old. No matter how many respawns."
Weekly Comic Book Review - C+
"Deadpool #10 is solid, but it’s not nearly as strong as some of the issues that came before it. However, I won’t lie; the small fight between Deadpool and Bullseye left me itching for more."
iFanboy
"As long as this fight with Bullseye stays entertaining, and the jokes keep on coming; then I'll be enjoying myself with this three issue arc."
ComicBookClub
"I think this is a very good issue." "Fantastic." "Really solid and enjoyable."
StashMyComics.com - 8.8/10
"his book is always a nice break from the serious tone of most mainstream books, and never ceases to deliver a good chuckle for me every issue."
The Pull List Comic Reviews
"The interesting thing is that Bullseye is pretty funny himself, in a very sick kind of way. The back and forth between the two makes the interaction feel something like the Odd Couple on acid."
The Hachiko - 3.5/5
"It wasn't a great all-around issue, but it was still funny enough to recommend, and with two of my favorite current characters – Deadpool and Bullseye – looking to continue their battle next time, it's a can't miss book for me."
comiXtreme - 4/5
"Instead of working in typical 5- or 6-issue arcs, Way has separate but connected segments that I find to be quite intriguing, and rare in the far more TPB-concerned market.
Which I guess is my way of saying buy this book on the stands. You won’t regret it. And may Bea Arthur rest in peace."
107 comments:
Finally some good reveiws.
Good to hear.. Odd though. DP seems vary tame/Sane. not alot of craziness. the inner voice was gone (even though he talked to himself0
Holy shit! all of them are ok!
Thank god for no pool-o-vision and white boxes on this issue
Well it was an awesome issue. Way killed it, Medina killed it, everything was cool as fuck I thought.
I wish he wouldn't talk to himself at all. It's like he somehow inherited the Typhoid Mary/ Bloody Mary/ Mary Walker thing, except with less distinct personalities.
The fight with Bullseye was pretty good, and was probably what saved the issue from being inane. The interaction between those two characters has never failed to entertain.
I agree-- glad that hallucination crap and and white boxes are gone... but one complaint: I hope Way would stop making him say "dude". I think it's kind of lame- he says "dude" like 3 times in this issue.
Whats name of dude with bow ?
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Bullseye doing some hawkeye cosplay XD
@ Max
Actually, Bullseye *is* 'Hawkeye" now. Dark Avengers. Etc.
well, a very enjoyable issue (no pool-o-vision and no white boxes helped) The fight scenes were great too.
BTW, now that deadpool is appearing everywhere i'm seeing a lot more of wade avatars on the comics forums and he's got a lot of new followers, i suposse you all like me have been fan of deadpool for a long time now, maybe this is stupid but don't you feel like less "unique". Just wondering.
To Anonymous just above (May 9 7:23):
Kind of. For a long time Deadpool titles have been the only comics I've followed, largely for the sake of nostalgia but also from a fondness for the character. I used to worry that the people at comic stores judged me for buying rubbish instead of the "good" titles. Now I'm worried that the people at the comic store are judging me for only buying comics because I've jumped on the Deadpool bandwagon. I don't know why I'm worried about what the people at the comic store think of me.
Do you think that the "dude" stuff is an effort to pander to a certain bent of internet audience amongst whom Deadpool has been gathering popularity? This occurred to me in the recent issue, with the "Respawn LOL" sign at the start and the "'Win!' 'Fail.'" banter later on.
I'm not saying that the title should pander to me along (although that would be nice of course), just interested in the idea that a surge of internet interest may be shaping the direction of the comic.
anyone notice how Deadpool kills a guy named Gavin in the book? Think thats a referance to Wolverines director? has to be. Gavins not a popular name so there. That was the funniest part to me. 'pool shoulda said: "That was for the Barraka Blades.*" and everbody in theat scene wouldve said what the hell? hah hah ha
*see Wolverine orgins now in theaters--Devious Daniel. :D
@Daniel
Yea i knew that
I was kidding
The Bullseye part of this issue is the fnniest thing I have read for a long time.
Well I for one im glad that there are all these bandwagoners.. cuz that way original fans like us will get more DP in many more ways... Put me behind the wheel of the bandwagon and ill drive around handing out chimichangas and loading it up the wagon with new fans all day.
@ Spidey42410
It doesn't count if you've only been following Deadpool since Fabian's run with the character
since fabian co-created him it be hard not to follow him since
@Daniel
You do realize that Fabian was one of the creators of Deadpool, right? And that he was author of New Mutants #98, which is Deadpool's first appearance, as well as Deadpool's first solo series, The Circle Chase?
I'm guessing that you thought it was Joe Kelly who came up with Deadpool, and then he was given over to Fabian for Cable & Deadpool. You'd be wrong.
Sigh...
Pathetic plebes...
I've said it before, Fabian co-created the character. He did not define the character. Even in the first mini-series he was still vague.
Waid brought some semblance of Deadpool together, but Kelly defined him.
Cable and Deadpool was Fabian's first "run" with the character. A "run" is slang term a writer's term/contract/whathave you on a title.
Hence, Fabian's RUN on C&D was separate from his CREATING the character to GUEST STAR in random issues.
@Daniel
Before you get all high and mighty, think about what you just said. By your definition of a "run", while DP's appearance in New Mutants would not be considered one, the Circle Chase certainly qualifies. It was an extended contract for a title lasting for a multiple number of issues. So no, C&D was not Fabian's first run. Circle Chase was. Yes, it was separate, but it was not the first.
Now, before you reply, undoubtedly trying to insult my intelligence in the process, please realize, I am not saying that Fabian's run was better, or defined Deadpool more clearly, merely that your statement didn't make sense, as it insinuated that if you were a fan of Deadpool before he got his own ongoing series, you weren't really a fan.
Though, beyond that, you should realize that you are beginning to sound like one of those pretentious hipsters, acting like you're better than everyone because you were a fan of something before it was "cool". So what if people discovered Deadpool because of C&D? Does that somehow make them less of a fan than you? Does it mean that they can't find Joe Kelly's series to be better? God forbid that anyone become interested in a character for a different reason than you did.
So by all means, bow down to Kelly as the definer of Deadpool, the maker of the Merc with the Mouth, but don't think that doing so makes you any better then the rest of us.
@ Rath
Sorry I should've defined that better. A run/contract generally refers to a ongoing series. Limited Series/One Shots generally don't count as a 'run'.
Nah, just hate the "Chimichangas" shit from C&D. That mindlessness and forced plothole filled shit was as bad as the White Boxes and the Pool-O-Vision. But as most people I've run into on this site, discovered Deadpool through C&D and refer to that when talking about the character as if it was defining of the personality.
Currently working on an essay breaking down how Fabian more or less used Deadpool as a McGuffin sofar as moving the plot along and as a cheap laugh, slapstick mindlessness.
I'm not better than any other fan. Just happen to have memorized endless amounts of dialog, plot points and spent time comparing and contrasting differences in writing styles. Fun with OCD.
Personally, I like the development of internal-dialogue (trialogue?). It missing from Issue 10 was sort of a bummer, but at the same time, I equally enjoyed only hearing DP talking to himself.
With regard to the Daniel/Rath debate, personally, when Circle Chase came out, I got the limited series, but I wasn't all impressed by it. Nor by Sins of the Past, though I got it anyways. C&D was more appealing...maybe this was me getting older...with the sort of odd couple cliche that works because, well, it was C&D. And I think this new series is an improvement on that.
Again, maybe this is what happens after a decade and a half of reading comics...the "trialogue" approach is just...fresh (for lack of better words). I'm also a sucker for banter, sarcasm and pop culture references, so I think that's why I still follow the guy.
All in all, I dug the issue.
Better than Joe Kelly. Joe Kelly's run had horrible art and unfunny dialogue, and it was boring...
DEADPOOL = SERIOUS BUSINESS
I miss what Joe Kelly brought to Deadpool's personality and character. He brought a certain humanity to him that I haven't really seen much of since. I liked how he was striving to be a better person but having to reconcile that with all of the horrible things he's done in the past and the fact that he really is a pretty selfish dick sometimes. Now it's more or less straight up slapstick and humour and not as much heart. Whatever reservations he had with killing people apparently no longer bothers him now (not that that's a bad thing necessarily. I personally prefer a Deadpool who kills than a Deadpool who doesn't). I don't wanna see Deadpool crying over his beer and waxing on about the despondency of life, but it'd be nice to throw a bit of heart (::cough::personality::cough::) into it to make him more of a round character than just a humorous flat one.
And I just miss some of the characters from Kelly's run, like Blind Alfred, Typhoid Mary, Siryn, and the occasional Death.
Joe Kelly's run was my favourite. But I'm sick and tired of people like Daniel saying Fabians run in C&D was crap, and just used him as a plot device. Because it didn't.
There was a lot of heart in that series I don't care what anyone says. It showed how truly messed up Deadpool can be. And anyway, it was just supremely entertaining.
I do sorta understand where Daniel is coming from though. I hate it when people say to me Deadpool is nothing but a clown with no personality. But those people are just ignorant. The fact is there has ALWAYS been more to Deadpool than just pop culture references and fourth wall breaking.
Maybe not in Way's run, yet. But when you think about it, the character should be less conflicted and self loathing and all that now. He found some kind of absolution, acceptance at the end of C&D.
@theaceofknaces...
This is the same anonymous from just above. I completely agree with you. Joe Kelly's run was my favorite but I think Fabian's run was pretty decent too. In fact, by the time it ended I was genuinely kinda sad cuz it was definitely the end of one of Deadpool's "eras." The supporting cast in particular were fantastic. sigh. ah well.
different writers do different things with characters. ..... Deadpool will always be unique because of the humor and the fourth wall breaking ... but for the most part for a lot of fans he was the first villian that it was cool to root for. Even in the old X-Force appearances the humor was there just not as much ... I thought C&DP was a great run and did a lot to help characterize DP as more than just a funny psycho with a messed up head... it showed he had some intelligence and some sort of morals no matter how conflicted and screwed up they may be. ... Kelly's run was also a good run and that series had its fair share of high and low points... The bottom line is you can't really say Fabian ruined DP or only used him as a plot device because he had more solo issues in C&DP then Cable ever had and a way more entertaining supporting cast ... I just like anything with Deadpool in it and I have since I seen him in X-force #2 and in the Circle Chase and I'm just glad the popularity is booming for him cause for all of us who always followed him and even people who just got into him it's giving us more Deadpool... only thing that bothers me with Way's run so far is no Weasel ... and not even a Blind Al cameo .... sometimes I feel like Way threw out most of Deadpool's previous history ... you can't say Fabian ever did that ... and when C&DP ended he was working with Agency X ... what ever happened with that ??? wonder if we get an explanation on that down the road.... It bothers me a little but bottom line is we all can agree DEADPOOL is AWESOME
Meh, I've re-read all of C&D, and I still say Fabian used Deadpool as a plot device. He gave him random new powers (Super strength, amnesia, ability to not have his mind read by telepaths) all for the purpose of the story. The focus of the series seemed to be on Cable and Deadpool was there for the ride. A "Buddy cop movie"-esce feel to it, and Deadpool was the funny man to Cable's straight man.
Deadpool was used to lighten the mood, and his 'insanity' was used for cheap laughs. Marvel Girl's costume, Bea Arthur, saying random words just for the hell of it. Pandering to the lowest common denominator to get a little laugh.
There were attempts at 'revealing' the inner Deadpool, but they all clashed with other people's personal history of Deadpool. From his history as a kid, to the T-Ray/Deadpool madness. Instead of clearing it up, he just said "Fuck it, I'm going to do what I want to do with the character I created" and made it more convoluted.
Daniel, and Joe Kelly didn't do those things? Kelly's Deadpool made Bea Arthur references and he has ALWAYS had immunity to telepaths and moderate super strength and agility. Dunno how you thought they were new things in C&D.
And what is wrong with that buddy cop thing? It was a great idea to pair the methodical, deadly serious Cable with the morally ambiguous, unhinged and hilarious Deadpool.
The fact is Cable and Deadpool is a much loved series and was a whole lot of fun. People have different opinions sure, nothing wrong with that. But I personally think some of your opinions are illogical and misguided Daniel.
yes you guys cause you know.... having followed deadpool since new mutants makes you a better fan than someone who discovered him later on.
Im sure EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WAS READING NEW MUTANTS when deadpool first showed up. GOd forbid someone became a deadpool fan when he was giving a more public profile in Cable and Deadpool and the character actually started to shine... how dare they like something after I liked it first!
fucking bandwagoners!!!!
"character actually started to shine" in Cable & Deadpool? What?
Now, I'm not one to bash newer fans, but that line really irks me. I'm in agreement with Daniel that the Joe Kelly run is where DP "started to shine". Another example of great Deadpool before C&DP would be Gail Simone's run. Another would be the Agent of Weapon X arc.
Again, not trying to cause more drama in these comments, but saying that 'Pool only started to shine in Cable & Deadpool is way ill-informed. It was a fun enough book, but hardly DP's best, let alone where he started to become a good character.
Im not saying deadpool became the guy we came to love in Cable & Deadpool. I enjoyed his first solo series. But part of that series were just straight up terrible.
By starting to shine I mean its when he started to become a major player in the Marvel universe. Everything he did before Cable & Deadpool, while fun to fans, was pretty minor compared to the role he had in Cable & Deadpool. Its pretty understandable the people start jumping on the deadpool bandwagon as he becomes more visible. He was practically invisible outside of a few appearances and his own series before that.
And yes i agree that a great example of what Deadpool is all about is in the Agent of Weapon X arch
I actually liked it when he didn't play a huge part in the Marvel Universe. I might be goin a bit overboard here, but Deadpool was much like the fools and clowns of Shakespeare's plays: a character who's a part of the main story but stands outside of it, doesn't affect it, and says humorous and witty things that reveal something about the MAIN characters (e.g. Wolverine, X-Men, Avengers, comic books in general, etc.). For chrissakes, he's basically an amalgamation of Deathstroke the Terminator, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. His entire character is a knock-off. and then grew into a sort of meta-character.
I LIKE how he's not a major player in the Marvel Universe. It allows him to stand outside of it and humorously reveal the absurdity of the Marvel Universe while also being able to go on his own hilarious adventures. Keep him on the sidelines, I say! That's where he thrives!
Or, if you wanna put it another way, when something goes mainstream, it gets watered down and loses it's flavor. I don't want Deadpool to lose his flavor.
~JD
As an English major, I'm horrified at my own mistake of using "it's" when it should be "its." I wholeheartedly apologize to anyone who gives two sh*ts.
~JD
Whilst I don't want my beloved Deadpool to become too "commercialized" I think it is about time he started playing a major role in the MU. He deserves his recognition.
And to call him a knock off is ill advised. Maybe when he was first created, but he is his own unique character now. There is no other character in the whole of comic dom like him.
Deadpool being mainstream is how most people want it. It's called marketing, and it works.
@theaceofknaves
He never had super strength/agility. He had peak/Captain America type. Not pick up someone with two fingers and crush them type strength. He was not immune to telepaths. Telepaths read his mind. Hell pick up Deadpool classic 2 to see that one in action.
The Buddy Cop thing was over the top campy. Like a bad Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode.
Joe Kelly didn't have Deadpool 'in love' with Bea Arthur.
I think you're just one of the 'lowest common denominators' I mentioned. It was cheeky campy fun, sure, if that's your schtick. The Deadpool before that, however, was a bit more serious, didn't have super strength/agility just Olympic level.
Show me where Captain America strengthened heroes can pick up a moderate sized man and crush his trachea with two fingers.
He never had Super Strength to that level. He had his mind read by tons of telepaths, and he mysteriously gained 'super amnesia' outta nowhere. All new.
I like my Deadpool dark, gritty, witty, with a hint of pop culture references. Not "OMG I'M ZAAAAAAAAAAANY! LOOK AT ME DRESS UP LIKE A GIRL SUPER HERO TEE-HEE!"
I think you need to re-read Deadpool and go over what you missed. Please show your work next time. Citations needed, and all that.
@~JD
And said Meta characters can kick Captain America in the nuts to defeat an evil messiah from space.
@ Anon
Marketing works to get your character recognized. It doesn't necessarily mean it will make the character better.
As for Agent of Weapon X, i found it enjoyable. The references to Gilbert Godfrey dreams, seeing Deadpool ready to kill but not kill kids, seeing his old Weapon X cohorts being twisted around, etc. Sometimes the pop culture references were a bit overbearing, but they fit the manic style of that form of Deadpool.
Just picked this issue up yesterday. Not bad. Like most of Way's stuff, it's enough to keep me interested in the next issue. Couple o' good lines Deadpool spouts off, but this is just an opening to the fight between Bullseye and Deadpool. I'm curious to see how he handles this.
Ha now I've caused a mass discussion and war just with the lines "Joe Kelly's run was horrible".
MUAHAHAHA!
@T RoLL
Not really. We're talking about how C&D was campy and whatnot and everyone else wasn't.
You failed. You were obviously trying too hard.
Next time actually *read* the posts before claiming you caused chaos.
Heh...newbie.
Cable & Deadpool is horrible, they focus too much on Cable. And Bob is a coward.
@ T RoLL
You're trying too hard. You have to be subtle.
Next time try sitting at your computer naked and chanting and pretending to be online instead of trying to troll horribly.
Deadpool should die, he's so unfunny nowadays, he'd be better off dead...
@ T RoLL
And that's why you'll never succeed me at being notorious. I'm just obscene and condescending, but I still have opinions I believe in. You're just trying to cause frustration. You could never replace me. Just another exhibitionist youtube junkie with too much time on his hands.
Thank you for reminding me why I'm for neutering of humans.
:( sadface
@ theaceofknaves
I agree that Deadpool isn't a knock-off. He certainly started that way but because of excellent writers he's become one of my favorite characters of all time. so yeah, don't get me wrong. It's just that he kinda started as a knock-off. His character grew to be much more than he was originally intended to be. That's a good thing!
oh, that was me above, JD.
Respawn Lol
It's a comic book. Enjoy it as it was intended to be enjoyed.
That being said, I don't like pool-o-vision, so I'm glad it wasn't in this one. Hopefully it's as gone as Hoffa.
Yes, down the with pool-o-vision! The multiple internal voices are a bit annoying as well, but I suppose I can live with them if I have to.
Regarding telepaths reading Deadpool's mind, I remember that way back when he was hired to either kill or free Mary from the asylum (coincidentally, in the first Deadpool comic I ever picked up,) the person hired to stop him said his mind was such a mess that she was unable to telepathically decipher which he intended to do. It's not quite evading the full extent of a telepath's powers, and having skipped most of Cable and Deadpool I'm not sure of the extent of his immunity in that series, but it could be considered a precedent.
Regarding other matters, I recently recalled that towards the end of Cable and Deadpool, Deadpool and T-Ray had their souls bound. Maybe this is the reason for the extra voice currently kicking around in Deadpool's head? I would certainly be much more satisfied with this than if it's simply that Deadpool is supposed to have developed multiple personality disorder.
@Daniel-Don't try and insult me because I enjoyed Cable and Deadpool.
I already mentioned my favourite run was Joe Kelly's.
I'm not one of the people who just enjoys Deadpool because he's funny and all that.
The fact is this. If there was nothing more to Deadpool than zany laughs and pop culture references I wouldn't be such a huge fan of his, It really is as simple as that.
As for the telepath thing? To be fair, I think it's actually better that it doesn't work on him. He entire cellular structure is in flux. Constantly changing. Including his brain. That is how his healing factor works. Cancer kills cells, healing factor re-heals them, constantly.
And I'm sure Captain America could snap someones trachea with two fingers, so Deadpool can also. Why do you even have a problem with that? It shows that our man DP is a out of hand killer.
Come on guys, show some apathy for others opinions of you. Really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBkTj7dRlg
LOOOOOOOL! ANOTHER DEADPOOL CLASSIC IN THE MAKING!! NEW ANIMATED!!
Cool. Is he saying "Of Courst?
Is there a release date yet?
@ theaceofknaves
The 'constantly in flux', introduced by Fabian, plot device, blah blah blah.
Peak level strength heroes, like Captain America, olympic level and all, could not pick someone up with two fingers. Not only would they have to break the law of physics. Supporting someone by their trachea with just two fingers would require super strength. Even more so to crush it.
As for the chick that read Deadpool's mind when he busted out Typhoid? She read what he was thinking, and responded to it. Hence, telepathic reading worked on him.
Creating powers for plot device, etc, etc. Rant. Insult. Comment about gritty action.
@ Anonymous
That's the kinda mindlessness I was talking about that easily entertained types enjoy. Cheap senseless hackneyed entertainment.
HOO-BOY! THAT WAS DARN GOOD ENTERTAINMENT MMHMM!
Christ...this is why we get movies like Dance Flick and Scary movie VII
Uhm... Daniel, Scary Movie 1 and 2 were directed by Keenen Ivory Wayans, but 3 and 4 were directed by David Zucker. Disaster Movie, Epic Movie, Date Movie etc. don't have anything to do with the Scary Movie franchise except the name "movie", and Scary Movie 4 sucked ass, but that's because 4th one always sucks, see Batman & Robin, Superman 4, etc.
Disaster Movie, Epic Movie etc were directed by Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer. They wrote Scary Movie 1, but they didn't write Scary Movie 2, it seems that writers suck at directing but are good at writing, see Blade Trinity: Directed by David S Goyer, it failed, but David wrote Batman Begins partially, Blade 1 and 2 etc.
Loooong post...
This board was a lot more fun before Daniel came around. Now it's just a constant barrage of insults at people who don't share his opinion. Launching insults like, "You're part of the lowest common denominator I was talking about." You are like a broken record, repeating the same argument all the time, "Too random, like a character from Jackass." And why must you always reference your disorders? "I'm bipolar, I have OCD." Do you feel that you have more in common with Deadpool than the rest of us because of these disorders. Most people with issues such as these don't walk around shouting it out. You're using them as a crutch or as an excuse for your insults. Yes it is awesome that you love Deadpool so much and it is cool that you know his entire history, but other people are not below you if they like a different aspect of the character than you do.
- Chimichanga
It was kinda strange how i started to like deadpool. When i was playing marvel ultimate alliance i was look for a charecter for the team and i say Deadpool who had guns and a sword and that reminded me a lot of Dante (devil may cry) so i picked him. Then thorughout the game with all his jokes and everything i started to like the charecter, but this was already way late cause the deadpool 2 had just come out so i went to a comic shop and purchased the my first comic in 12 years an well yea lol.
Whoa, can't we all just get along? I'm glad this board is full of people who are so passionate about Deadpool. Sometimes that passion can lead to tough discussions but I enjoy reading them. My first encounter with Deadpool was in X-force #11. In that issue he beat the hell out of Shatterstar. Deadpool was more or less a straight up bad-ass merc back then with none of the personality traits that he became known for. I've enjoyed all the writers that have written Deadpool,(yes, that includes Fabien's Cable and Deadpool)and I'm not ashamed to say it. I'm still not sure about Way though. As mentioned earlier, He's kind of abandoned everything and everybody that came before and added more lunacy. I'm not a fan of Pool-O-Vision. That being said, I hope issue 10 is a sign for the future that white boxes, and Pool-O-Vision are slowly fading away.
Issue 10 was a great, great issue.
And Daniel? No Fabian didn't come up with the whole flux thing.
That is how Deadpools healing factor has worked since day one. Cancer kills cells, Healing factor heals them. It makes sense. Simple.
Hey Daniel. Ever read Deadpool issue 11 written by Joe Kelly? Yeah, before you make your little rant insulting DP fans, I'd actually read what you claim to have.
@ Anonymous # 1
Nah, just random explanations for some of my behavior. It doesn't excuse it at all. The fun of not caring does.
@ T RoLL
I know they had nothing to do with each other. Note, there IS no scary movie VII...yet. But they're the same style/type of over the top spoof. And there's an audience for it. A sad...sad shallow audience...
@ theaceofknaves
In "flux" by shifting his fingerprints? Shifting his brain? No that's not what it did. It kept the cancer in check, but it didn't cure it. That is not 'flux'.
"In Flux" is The Incredible Hulk. The Hulk's persona's are "In flux", constantly changing. Pool's brain patterns? His fingerprints? Not so much.
@ Anon # 2
Re-Reading # 11 now. What am I looking for?
well, i didn't expect to start such a long discussion, all i asked was if someone felt less unique now that there are a lot more deadpool fans that before :)
@Daniel
Dude, you have such a bad atitude, can't you just make your point politely, you know, without insulting everybody.
@ Anon # 3
I do, sometimes. It's all in how the subject matter is brought up. And how people take certain wordings. I do come off as if I'm lording over people. Didn't realize that until it was pointed out a week or two ago. To be honest, i am working on that.
There is also, of course, some people to sensitive. When something is made like a gay joke, or a fart joke, or a random for the sake of random joke, it really really is appealing to the lowest common denominator. C'est la vie.
*too
lol No Daniel, you're just one of the many annoying Deadpool fans. Deadpool is a cool character, but where ever you go on the internet there's always that one annoying douchey fan.
You know those guys that either come off obsessed, or as "know it all's." They're really the corniest and most annoying lol. People like Deadpool for different reasons, all the nutcases need to deal with it lol. But I think we can all agree that Deadpool is more then just a funny killer. I think all of us love his origins and the serious side of his character as much as his humor and ability to kill shit in the most extreme/poetic way lol.
I mean seriously, in the world of comic book pages...nothin is better than seeing Deadpool leap in the air while doing a sideways somersault with guns, grenades, or swords in hand, reigning death from above lol. Nothing and I mean nothing beats that. It's almost euphoric to witness shit like that, lol thats how awesome Deadpool is.
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
Thanks for proving my point.
OMG HE'S SO AWESOME WHENEVER HE BLOWS SHIT UP! LOOK AT HIM DO ACTIONY SCENES WITH GLEE!
lol Oh c'monnnn...
That is apart of his character. He's not gonna stand on a rooftop while reciting an ironic poem about life and death or creation and destruction before pouncing on his victim with the same intentions that your local butcher has for his poultry. Deadpool's appetite for destruction and action, is just as much apart of him as anything else.
But I think we can agree that when writers turn him into a fuckin Looney Tunes character, that's the only time Deadpool starts become pointless. It's shit like that, that got him canceled and pushed into oblivion to begin with. I read that you didn't like C&DP, but you gotta thank Kelly and Fabian's Cable and Deadpool for even given the character a chance. Without them, Deadpool would just be a joke in the Marvel Universe.
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
I get that it's apart of his character. I like him being a cold merc when the situation calls for it. I like him being a hired thug. I like him leaping around like a maniac (I forgot how absurdly awesome the fight with Kraven was).
But the way you described it made it seem like all you look foward to is the violence and chaos. Sure that's apart of the character, but if that's what you focus on, then be proud of it. It's shallow and cheap, but it's what you enjoy.
Again, it's why there's an audience for the Disaster/Scary/Dance/Blahblahblahblah flicks.
Same for the cheap childish humor and randomness that i say was what Fabian's run with Deadpool mostly consisted of. Not completely, but it was definitely centered around his 'more than mancrush' on cable, the over the top un-PC juvenile stuff, the dick and fart jokes, Chimichanga, etc.
There was slightly more that Fabian's run consisted of, but not a whole heckova lot.
And I still maintain that telepaths scanned Deadpool, that he did not have super strength, that he never had 'short term amnesia or at least enough amnesia for whenver the plot called for it'.
And foremost of all:
YOU CANNOT PICK UP A MAN BY HIS TRACHEA AND THEN CRUSH IT EVEN IF YOU ARE AT PEAK HUMAN STRENGTH.
Hell, even Batman has to use the whole grip around someone's THROAT, not there trachea which is NOT very wide, when he picks someone up.
Oh fuck all..
*their
@ discussion
...Calm down...
Yeah...lol I pretty much can't agree with anything you said. Not every single issue of a Deadpool series is gonna be a in depth and deep read. It's all about what's in the issues collectively, it's not about putting everything in every book every time. Cable and Deadpool was fun when it had to be, and got deep when it had to be. You read those books collectively and you see Wade havin fun and you see Wade dealin with real problems. Fabian killed that series, he's the reason for this wave of new Deadpool fans. Cable and Deadpool was epic.
As for his amnesia and strength, lol dude..you're just nit picking now. A character needs new stories and attributes to stay interesting. I thought Fabian tied the mental problems Wade was having due to his cancer and healing factor clashing into the character flawlessly. It showed why Wade was erratic as he was. lol I can't see how that would even bother anyone. He actually went out of the way to explain why Wade is the babbling killer he is, and it all worked..
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
It was cheap pandering with juvenile jokes. The campiness was it's main point. Even when it tried to be serious it came off about as serious as a very special episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Yeah, because who needs continuity and everything when you should just MIX IT UP for no reason just to keep people 'interested'.
Christ it's easily entertained plebes like you that thought the Wolverine movie was "a great action movie!"
Fabian took Deadpool, decided 'Fuck all that character history and changing from the past decade, let's do things MY way since I co-created him" and basically did whatever he wanted.
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
No. You know what? It didn't 'explain' anything. It created new issues, convoluted the T-Ray mess, and it MADE him an erratic kill for no reason madman. It didn't expand on the character at all. It didn't tread any new ground. He took the 'wacky' Deadpool and turned him into a sidekick and plot device. Even in the two issues everyone always refers me to, the one where he kills the Usama Bin Laden look-alike for no reason, it wasn't deep. It wasn't thought provoking or even dealing with anything Deadpool's done before. It was simply Wade acting like an idiot, swimming through raw sewage (Odd, like a Jackass cast member..), making over the top Un-PC jokes, acting incoherently for no reason, gave him super strength for no reason, made him kill for no reason, delivered un-funny right-wing bashing jokes, and basically act like a fool JUST TO APPEAR FUNNY TO PEOPLE WHO LOVE CHEAP MINDLESS ENTERTAINMENT!
Because swimming in raw sewage and making jokes about creamed corn and saying chimichunga is so god damn amusing.
And sitting around being all angsty because "I wanna be a hero and that Irish girl won't do me" is so high brow. I love Kelly's work on Deadpool too, and do wish Deadpool's characterisation of recent had a little more depth, but come off it. Deadpool has always been trashy. Nobody reads him for the intellectuality, and if you do then you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Anonymous pwnd Daniel!
"It was cheap pandering with juvenile jokes. The campiness was it's main point. Even when it tried to be serious it came off about as serious as a very special episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
Seriously, who the hell do you think we're talkin about here? lol We're talkin about Deadpool right? I mean Joe Kelly had Wade talking to fuckin ghosts like TV psychic John fuckin Edward before killing Ajax, lol and you're freakin out cause Fabian had Wade kill out of sheer boredom and lack of moral stability on Cables island of peace? What kind of shit do you gotta be on to not like what Fabian did in that very issue along with his others? lol Seriously Daniel, you're like a industrial sized douche bag. So annoying...
Anyways, aside from Deadpool/Death annual and three Cable & Deadpool books, when was Deadpool this Shakespeare-like character that you can't stop talkin about? He's a merc, a low life, an anti social degenerate. He isn't Sidney Poitier with guns lmao. Fabian nailed it when he wanted to get more serious with the character. And technically, Joe Kelly and Fabian are the only two writers to do that successfully. Now whether those issues were worthy of Buffy episodes or not, fuck, lol I wouldn't know. I don't watch that gay shit. I mostly watch Food Network and Cinemax.
@ Anon and Wade WIlson's Tailor
Sigh. I didn't say it was BBC Masterpiece Theater. But it also wasn't mindlessness and campy. There's a difference between Wade making jokes about destroying all life, and dick and fart jokes. The fact that you can't see that just shows that I'm even more for cutting of funds for public schooling.
If you honestly think Kelly and Fabian somehow are the only ones who nailed seriousness and manic crazy behavior, then you obviously haven't read Priest's run, or Palimotti's. I'm realliy surprised by the latter because he wrote Deadpool taking on the punisher and a story surrounding two murderous twin sisters. I figured you'd be all over that.
Odd, you find Buffy 'gay' but you're not bothered by the running joke of Deadpool wanting to give Cable body massages. Or wear women's underwear. Serious, "Buffy" bothers you, but the random barrages of gay jokes in C&D didn't get to you? Fucking hilarious.
The "kind of shit I'm on" is wanting continuity. That's not too much to ask from a Marvel Comic, seeing as that's something they're supposedly based on. I'm wanting a Deadpool that won't kill or act like a 3rd grader simply because the writer is looking for pages to fill.
If Deadpool's going to kill, or if he's going to kidnap MP's, or shoot at Taxi Driver's, have it be for a reason. Violence for the sake of violence, acting out for the sake of comedy, is really childish and only really entertaining and appealing to the lowest form of thought.
Deadpool had to kill Ajax because he thought it would help the dead weapon X subjects, and that was after Deadpool had to come face to face with the fact that he had to do it, but he could still be a hero.
Subtlety and intelligence are obviously lost on you, so I'll put it in terms that even someone who uses 'lol lmao' in the middle of a sentence can understand:
OMG it's like, Deadpool does STUFF for, like, a REASON, and like, the violence is like, a part of it. So like, killing for no reason, is like, TOTALLY out of character LOL! Cuz' like, it's like, DP always did stuff for something OTHER than "OH-EHM-GEE! I'M SO WACKY!"
You want violence for the sake of violence and tons of gore? Go read Berserk. I'm sure all the subtlety about destiny and free will and comradeship is over your head, but the main character slices people and half and blows them up. Right up your ally.
@ T RoLL
Wasn't so much 'pwned' as Anon just oversimplified the Syrin/Deadpool relationship. It wasn't just sex he was after somuch as he was wanting to be loved despite being a scarred antisocial jackass. Wanting to see if he could be more than just a thug, a killer, and wanting to raise the bar for himself and hoping Syrin would help guide him, was kinda part of it.
So, OMG re-verse pwned!
Yep, but of course that aspect of their relationship had all the subtlety of a marching band in broad daylight so I didn't think it was worth elaborating on. But hey, if you like melodrama then Dawson's Creek might be right up your alley.
@ Anonymous
Of course! Because wanting a girl when you're having a psychotic break and you want someone, and they reject you, or when you need someone to break you out of a nuthouse, or keep you from slaughtering the person who you blame for most of your misfortune. Yeah not subtle with the way they obviously want each other but hey, most relationships aren't 'subtle';.
You'll understand it when you're older.
That sentence is incomplete, but I presume that you were trying to once again demonstrate that you have a keen eye for the obvious.
All I'm saying (and I'm surprised that I have to clearly spell out my point to someone of your keen intellect) is that it never really had any depth. The examples of depth that you've been giving really amount to fairly trashy writing. It's nowhere near as elegantly presented as you seem to be trying to make out.
I'm saying this in an attempt to bring it into its proper perspective. Fine, you're not arguing that Deadpool before Cable And Deadpool was high art. But you are saying that Deadpool since then appeals to the lowest common denominator, as though it used to aim higher. It never did, or at least if it did it missed entirely. The blatant themes and melodrama were just as tacky as wanton violence and toilet humour. They were simply another form of cheap mindless entertainment.
Man does this Daniel guy have nothing better to do then spend time on this site looking for people to talk crap about. Man you have no class. Get a better hobby. O and dont bother with the @Thestreetking8 "(talking some bullshit)" Cause seriously get a life.
Someone please scan the "I've been besmirched!" page
I don't like Daniel. From this site.
@ Anonymous
There was subtlety to the humor. Sure there was some over the top stuff. But it wasn't camp. Look at "The Tick" cartoon show.
There was the randomness, the craziness, but there was also subtle humor in there. Stuff kids wouldn't get. Same for Freakazoid. Yes there was obvious trashy humor, but it wasn't beat you over the god damn head camp. That's what I liked about anyone else writing Deadpool. The "Buddy Cop Movie" parallel is pretty much sums it up. A bad Lethal Weapon dig. It's not serious, and when it does try to be it comes off sloppy.
No Deadpool was never a class act, nor was it British dry humor. But the humor was not blatantly in your face. Cable & Deadpool was in your face, explain it to you panel by panel, and in no way offered a chance to recoup as it was page after page of chimichunga, toilet humor, etc.
Sorry that came out wrong. I never meant to give the impression that Deadpool was "Yes, yes, very humorous". But I hated the low brow humor that obviously was meant to be aimed at those who subtlety would have been wasted on.
@ Roy Fizzle
Yep. That's what I do. I obviously have no love or obsession about continuity and characters being written sloppily. Yep. You nailed it.
@ T Roll
It's ok Stan.
@ Daniel
Give it a rest, seriously. You come off as a whiny hipster "i liked him before all of you" monocle wearing douche despite whatever point you're trying to make. You're trying WAY too hard. Get off the computer, go spend some time with a female, have a shot and let it go.
I came into the DP fold thanks to C&DP and highly enjoyed MOST of Fabian's run. Because I actually have a wife and stuff to do, I can't sit here and type out a full term paper response like you have but the main point is Kelly may have defined him, Fabian re-enforced that and gave him significance. Seems you are being blinded by your "high intellect" and your desire to make it known that you read DP before us therefore you're cool.
@ Cannon The Catalyst
Sweet! You completely missed the point!
Thanks for trying.
I was talking about the style of humor, the inconsistencies and how much Fabian fucked up Deadpool, but hey, why not ignore all that part of the conversation and jump back a few days and talk about the 'hipster' aspect again.
It's very cute when you miss the point and continue to rant. You have a very special place in my heart!
All you do is rant! Then you insult people when they go on a rant about your ranting? Hypocrisy thy name is Daniel.
@ Danny the douche
Seriously, lol if Cable and Deadpool makes you freak out this much, I think maybe you should stick to BBC Theater. I mean only a whiney lil dink would even think about summing up a glorious run of books like Cable and Deadpool down to "fart jokes." The first 24 issues of Cable and Deadpool were classics. Udon/Zircher and Fabian set the visual standard, and part of the character behavior standard for modern Deadpool books.
And nothin you can say will ever convince me that talkin to ghosts that need Ajax dead will ever be more intriguing then a episode of Buffy lol, sorry guy. Not to mention that chick dying in Deadpools hands in that same series of books, that was probably just as well done as an episode of Buffy (I wouldn't know, cause I dont watch that gay shit lol).
Point is, you're one of the many annoying douchey Deadpool fans lol. One of the many, but probably the most annoying douchey Deadpool fan lol. And these are comic books, not your beloved BBC Theater. So talkin about grabbin tracheas and super strength as if your annoyed, I mean seriously? lol Really? Does it bother you that much? Cause the thought of seeing Deadpool pick up someone by their trachea just sounds really neat to me =). Not to mention a more agile and strong Deadpool sounds just as good, if not gooder. Or is it mo'good?
Now Cable and Deadpool was beyond passable for a Deadpool read. And aside from when Joe Kelly got serious for a moment with the character, Fabian was the only other one that pulled it off successfully, at least in my eyes. I didn't enjoy Priest's or Palmiotti's takes nearly as much. Now as for the the ridiculous standards that your annoying douchey self hold Deadpool to, they don't even seem to have ever existed let alone make any coherent sense lol. I don't know who Deadpool is in your brain, but I think Deadpool fans in general will benefit if your perception of the character never saw the light of day in the pages of any Deadpool book lol...
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
Aww name calling? And insinuating BBC Theatrics? Cute.
But logic is obviously above you. And the whole 'gay' thing again. Very weird closet case...
As for Illainy, she didn't die. Re-read the issue.
I'd go on to compare reading Joe Kelly and anyone else's run of Deadpool to The Tick/Freakazoid humor to Fabian's "Family Guy" style of humor on C&D, but even that would be above your head.
@ Anonymous
Sigh, wow...reading and comprehension is obviously above your head.
I wasn't ranting that he was ranting. I was 'ranting' that he was off the topic. I was talking about the style of humor of Deadpool.
It's very cute when the kiddies thing they made a point and call names but don't have a single clue what's going on...
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
Gah I had forgot. She did die, so she was brought back.
As for your childish almost insulting retorts:
You use "lol" in your sentences. You can't be over 17 or about there, so your opinion is invalidated. Period.
Course i did : )
@ Roy Fizzle
And that's why you fail at further reading and comprehension...
So you call people out on name calling but you can't make a post without insulting someone. Is that ironic or just more evidence that you're a hypocrite? I wouldn't know cause I'm a "Kiddie" who fails at reading and comprehension. Who talks like that? Are you Jeff Goldblum? Come clean man! And if you are Jeff Goldblum, what's Will Smith like? I have a feeling he's a nice guy, but he's kind of full of himself. Sorry, I drifted didn't I?
@ Danny douche-hammer (lol)
Your comparisons don't go over anyones head, lol they're just soo ridiculously unnecessary and pointless. But there's comic fans like that everywhere, the Deadpool ones have just started popping up at certain places like this as a result of Wade's new popularity, I guess.
As for BBC, I never even seen it. Cause I don't watch that gay shit lol. I mostly watch Krod Mandoon and the Pet channel.
I do agree though, and I've been saying it from the start. If Deadpool does get dumbed down as a character like he was throughout a lot of his books, he'll end up canceled again just for the fact that routine get's tired, fast.
@ Anonymous
Your Deadpool impersonation could use some fine tuning. He drifts professionally though. You have to be seamless. You can't go "Are you Jeff, jeff, HEY YOU ARE JEFF"
I don't name call directly like that.
Insulting someone and straight up name calling are completely different. Comprehension fail.
Next time choose a celebrity who *is* condescending in the first place (if the tabloids are right Christian Bale really is a prick), and go right into referring to me as him.
It's comprehension fails like this which led people to believe I hate Deadpool.
I hate Fabian's run (yes he co-created him, we've established that but I'm talking about the solo-series, not mini-series, I hate that I have to explain myself this thoroughly...) and the style of humor he used.
Yes there was some low brow humor in the other people's takes on the character, but Fabian's was in your face in the open camp, dick and fart jokes. Kelly had cheap humor too, Underroos and all that (which he referenced a lot) as well as the subtle humor (such as Jerry's references to what the secret societies put in people's coffee and coke).
Besides the drastic change in the style of humor, the outright change in the character's history (Fabian re-wrote it to do what he wanted) and the random ability changes.
I like consistent storytelling foremost. Continuity and all. And I understand not everyone's going to have the same style of humor. But jumping from one sorta general style to slam bam in your face Family Guy randomness was over the top.
Hopefully that was simple and coherent enough for anyone who read this.
@ Wade Wilsons Tailor
You like trashy TV, we get it. Good for you. And your constant referral to 'gay shit' just goes to prove you're just a kid. Don't got much more to say to ya.
I can't wait until the 'real world' gets ahold of you when you graduate...
How do you know that Jeff Goldblum isn't condescending unless you are indeed Jeff Goldblum?
Comprehension fail? Oh it is on...Like fer reals! Seriously though, I don't see the difference between name calling and insulting. Calling someone a name is an insult right? and making fun of people intellectually is insulting right? And if a=c and b=c then a=b. Perhaps it is you, professor, who has failed at comprehension.
I must also note that you have made your point about how you feel about Fabian's run on Deadpool. You don't need to keep repeating the same things over and over. Simply tell people to refer to your previous posts to see you're arguement becuase it looks like you copy and paste it. I respect you opinion and I think you do a heck of a job defending it, but I don't think that you should insult people because they have different taste than you do.
@ Danny the douche baggett
I do not like trashy TV! I just don't like the gay shit that you love to death..lol
I only watch Eastbound and Down and reruns of Lou Ferrigno's Incredible Hulk. Neither of which is gay.
@ Anonymous
People bitch about Way's run enough. Turn about, fair play, etc.
And I'm not saying insulting is bad period. But name calling, especially plain direct name calling is so...blargh. Spice it up a little.
And I'm pretty sure I'm not Jeff Goldblum. Though I am the same height as him.
@ Daniel
If your big on continuity, then comic books in general must drive you nuts.
Most of the various characters series I've read have had some small changes from from writer to writer. Hell, some have changed drastically. Couple that with one shots and guest appearances and a character can be all over the map in terms of abilities and back story. Sometimes it can be frustrating but I try to keep and open mind.
@ Daniel
I meant you're, not your.
@ PARIAH
That's why I liked Marvel Comics up until a few years ago though. They used to be heavily centered around continuity.
But now it's all centered around the 'next big event'.
I do agree with that "next big event" comment marvel sure as hell does that but even if you don't like Way's run so far you have to admit he did a good job in the sense that he had to start a new series and be thrust into the " big event " at the time ... and did a good job with it. what I don't get is people calling out fans for not being fans cause they weren't there from the beginning.... so if I like Spider-man I'd have to be alive since 1963 to be considered a real fan of him..... and C&DP was way more than just campy humor... there was a lot of it in there but it was also a mirror to society and what was going on in the world at the time... It worked well as a "buddy flick " because you had two contrasting characters and I don't see how people say that it was too much about Cable ... Deadpool got more than his fair share of shine in that book as well as his own supporting cast ..... The recap pages would even tell you beforehand if an issue was going to be all about Cable ..... fans are fans and even if you don't agree with what they say you should be happy no matter when they jumped on , that they jumped on Wade's bandwagon because that just means more Deadpool comics for all of us and with that maybe even more writers that will get it right like the ones of the past .... as far as the humor I don't see anything wrong with using all types when your dealing with a unpredictable character such as Deadpool ... there should be crude, subtle, in your face, and all of that just not too much of one.. it should always be a good mix .... and although I thought it was totally bad ass of Wade to be able to snap a neck with two fingers the super-strength thing is a little off ... I mean if you played ultimate alliance and use Deadpool he can't lift the heavier objects... it's something to think about but it's not really a big deal ... different writers do different things and its nothing new when they ignore certain parts of general continuity from time to time ..... if you like a character enough and want a good read you can get over it... I'm a huge spider-man fan as well and I've had to do that with the clone saga and currently brand new day .... bottom line is if you don't like it don't read it but don't put people down because they like it because again we can all agree that we love Deadpool and want to keep seeing more of him
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